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		<title>By: Bookmarks about History</title>
		<link>http://www.archaeogeek.com/blog/2008/08/29/google-kills-british-history-not/comment-page-1/#comment-38132</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookmarks about History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - bookmarked by 4 members originally found by woahbot on 2008-09-14  Google kills british history- not  http://www.archaeogeek.com/blog/2008/08/29/google-kills-british-history-not/ - bookmarked by 4 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@mapperz- agreed. The version of the article that I first saw didn&#039;t mention openstreetmap at all, which is interesting!

@Rob- openspaces doesn&#039;t give you free data at all. There&#039;s a fundamental difference between allowing you to create an api for data that they maintain control over, and allowing you to download that data for use in your own applications. The terms of use for openspaces are in fact pretty restricted- there&#039;s a link to the faq in my post. That&#039;s the same kind of confusion that makes people think that google give their data away as well. As far as I know, the only people that do give you access to their data are the openstreetmap crowd, but if there are others I&#039;d love to hear about it!

Thanks for stopping by

Archaeogeek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@mapperz- agreed. The version of the article that I first saw didn&#8217;t mention openstreetmap at all, which is interesting!</p>
<p>@Rob- openspaces doesn&#8217;t give you free data at all. There&#8217;s a fundamental difference between allowing you to create an api for data that they maintain control over, and allowing you to download that data for use in your own applications. The terms of use for openspaces are in fact pretty restricted- there&#8217;s a link to the faq in my post. That&#8217;s the same kind of confusion that makes people think that google give their data away as well. As far as I know, the only people that do give you access to their data are the openstreetmap crowd, but if there are others I&#8217;d love to hear about it!</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by</p>
<p>Archaeogeek</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 09:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChrisW - &#039;So, who reckons we’ll see free data from the OS any time soon?&#039;

You&#039;ve obviously not been paying attention to the OS Beta that has been running for the last few months....

http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisW &#8211; &#8216;So, who reckons we’ll see free data from the OS any time soon?&#8217;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve obviously not been paying attention to the OS Beta that has been running for the last few months&#8230;.</p>
<p><a href="http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/" rel="nofollow">http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ChrisW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thought on the availability of Ordnance Survey data:  

The February 2008 report &quot;Models of Public Sector Information Provision via Trading Funds&quot; (http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file45136.pdf), commissioned by the UK Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR) and HM Treasury, looked at the potential economic and social benefits of extending access to this kind of publicly held information and concluded that &quot;in most cases, a marginal cost regime would be welfare improving- that is, the benefits to society of moving to a marginal cost regime outweighed the costs&quot;.  In this context, a marginal cost regime means selling particular categories of data at the cost of distribution i.e. effectively zero-cost in the case of digital OS data.  

So, who reckons we&#039;ll see free data from the OS any time soon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thought on the availability of Ordnance Survey data:  </p>
<p>The February 2008 report &#8220;Models of Public Sector Information Provision via Trading Funds&#8221; (<a href="http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file45136.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file45136.pdf</a>), commissioned by the UK Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR) and HM Treasury, looked at the potential economic and social benefits of extending access to this kind of publicly held information and concluded that &#8220;in most cases, a marginal cost regime would be welfare improving- that is, the benefits to society of moving to a marginal cost regime outweighed the costs&#8221;.  In this context, a marginal cost regime means selling particular categories of data at the cost of distribution i.e. effectively zero-cost in the case of digital OS data.  </p>
<p>So, who reckons we&#8217;ll see free data from the OS any time soon?</p>
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		<title>By: mapperz</title>
		<link>http://www.archaeogeek.com/blog/2008/08/29/google-kills-british-history-not/comment-page-1/#comment-32671</link>
		<dc:creator>mapperz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all down to cost - TeleAtlas data is cheaper than Ordnance Survey data.
(Though not necessary better.)
The Ordnance Survey needs to re-vamp it&#039;s ancient and monopolising  license agreements and crown copyright restrictions.
Solution
Make the data cheaper and easier to access - you get more people using it so more money would be made from more purchases.

OpenStreetMap are gaining huge amounts on making data available from more users inputing their content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all down to cost &#8211; TeleAtlas data is cheaper than Ordnance Survey data.<br />
(Though not necessary better.)<br />
The Ordnance Survey needs to re-vamp it&#8217;s ancient and monopolising  license agreements and crown copyright restrictions.<br />
Solution<br />
Make the data cheaper and easier to access &#8211; you get more people using it so more money would be made from more purchases.</p>
<p>OpenStreetMap are gaining huge amounts on making data available from more users inputing their content.</p>
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